END-OF-FRAME, once again..

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:13:30PM +0200, Daniel wrote:
> On 13/10/2021 00:32, UD K wrote:
> > On 10/12/21 7:49 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > UD K said on Mon, 11 Oct 2021 17:47:46 +0200
> > > 
> > > > I SHOULD know this, because it came up in the (distant) past, but
> > > > either I forgot, or Lyx has changed-- probably a little of both.
> > > >     I wanted to cut a frame from a lyx/beamer presentation and put it
> > > > in
> > > > another place in the presentation. Control-X, and Control-V failed. So
> > > > I tried to insert a new frame, but that came without an end-of-frame,
> > > I like LyX as much as the next guy --- I'm selling about 9 books
> > > authored in LyX. But when it comes to putting together a slide
> > > presentation with Beamer, I think LyX adds more complexity than it
> > > removes. When I use Beamer at all, I just edit the LaTeX in an editor.
> > > Doing that would be the kiss of death writing a book, but Beamer/LaTeX
> > > uses only a small subset of LaTeX.
> > > 
> > > SteveT
> > > 
> > > Steve Litt
> > > Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful
> > > Technologisthttp://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
> > Steve-- I TOTALLY agree with you about the Lyx/Beamer combo being a
> > killjoy experience.  To make matters worse, I use this combination only
> > rarely, and in between, pandemics, Former-Presidents and other plagues
> > brush away what I knew about using it, so the experience is usually like
> > a root-canal: painful, frustrating and disappointing. It is harder to
> > use than the much maligned Impress of the even-more-maligned
> > LibreOffice, but of course the output, if I ever get to that stage, is
> > MUCH better looking.  Whether that improved look is worth the pain
> > depends on your pain threshold ;-)
> > 
> > -- 
> > Ehud Kaplan, Ph.D.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It's always great to get feedback on LyX.

+1 especially *constructive* feedback :)

> Something that I thought while using beamer with LyX was that it seems that
> it would be easier if Frames would not "hang together". I mean: right now,
> if you press enter at the end or beginning of a frame, you get a new line
> that is extending the same frame. Wouldn't it be easier if you get a new
> frame this way and instead would just nest stuff in order to get it onto a
> specific frame? So, no need for separators either. There may be issues with
> this suggestion that I have not thought careful enough about but on the face
> of it, it seems like a good idea to me and to solve the issues you
> mentioned. What do you think?

I think the workflow you're suggesting makes the not-always-true assumption that the user does not use the "frame" layout for the *content* of the frame, and only uses nested layouts (e.g., itemize or standard). Did I understand right?

What abut making it so that if the user changes the layout to "frame title", then a *new* frame is started (i.e., LyX realizes "oh this frame already has a frame title so the user must want a new frame)?

Scott
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