END-OF-FRAME, once again..

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 10:29:05AM -0400, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 03:14:48PM +0200, Daniel wrote:
> > On 13/10/2021 16:50, Scott Kostyshak wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 12:13:30PM +0200, Daniel wrote:
> > > > Something that I thought while using beamer with LyX was that it seems that
> > > > it would be easier if Frames would not "hang together". I mean: right now,
> > > > if you press enter at the end or beginning of a frame, you get a new line
> > > > that is extending the same frame. Wouldn't it be easier if you get a new
> > > > frame this way and instead would just nest stuff in order to get it onto a
> > > > specific frame? So, no need for separators either. There may be issues with
> > > > this suggestion that I have not thought careful enough about but on the face
> > > > of it, it seems like a good idea to me and to solve the issues you
> > > > mentioned. What do you think?
> > > 
> > > I think the workflow you're suggesting makes the not-always-true assumption that the user does not use the "frame" layout for the *content* of the frame, and only uses nested layouts (e.g., itemize or standard). Did I understand right?
> > 
> > Yes. It is not a conservative approach. It suggest to not use the frame
> > layout for the content because, if I see it correctly, this can be equally
> > achieved by using a nested standard layout. So, why not have just one way of
> > doing things. And it seems to me more consistent in that, say, itemized
> > lists have to be nested as well within a frame which makes them appear at
> > another level than the content of the frame when not nested but they are
> > not. Isn't that a bit strange or misleading?
> > 
> > Instead, everything will have to be nested if it should go on a frame. (Of
> > course there must be a lyx2lyx mechanism to transfer old beamer documents to
> > the new "nesting-style".)
> > 
> > The workflow would in the new style would be like this:
> > 
> > 1. Select the Frame layout to create a new frame.
> > 2. Press enter which creates a nested Standard paragraph to add content.
> > 3. Press enter twice to un-nest and get a Frame layout which starts a new
> > frame.
> > 
> > Doesn't this appear more simple and intuitive?
> 
> It does. I think it is a reasonable proposal. I'm just not sure
> everyone will agree. For example, our own beamer example uses the
> frame layout for content.

One use case that would benefit from your suggested interface:

It's currently annoying to change a "Frame" to a "Fragile Frame" or
"Plain Frame". Consider the following pseudo code:

  [frame content...]
  [more frame content...]
  [nested itemize]
  [frame content...]

You can't just select all paragraphs and change to the new
(Fragile/Plain) Frame. With your workflow, I think it would be
sufficient to change the first paragraph.

Scott
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