Save on save

[Daniel]

On 2020-03-30 07:47, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
> Am Sonntag, den 29.03.2020, 16:56 +0200 schrieb Kornel Benko:
>> Clever (the patch), keeping old behaviour and at the same time
>> allowing a new shortcut.
> 
> Since we have two shortcuts for buffer-write (at least in cua and mac
> bind), how about using one of them (F2) for "buffer-write force"?
> 
> Jürgen

I guess it would also need an additional menu entry as well in order for 
people to get to know about shortcut and make easily use of it.

However, a "Save Force" entry or function isn't really something people 
are familiar with because applications normally only have "Save" even if 
in many it behaves exactly like a forced save. So people will wonder 
what this is all about.

Making "Save" do the forced save in LyX would also solve a long standing 
problem with saving the closed/open state of insets:

https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/2993

The problem is only partially solved by introducing a new menu entry and 
shortcut because pressing Ctrl|Cmd+S is what many people do if they try 
to save their changes in a document. And I am sure almost no one checks 
the status bar whether it worked or not. They will just press the 
default shortcut, see that the document is not shown as dirty, and think 
their changes (to insets) are saved.

One could already now add a character, remove it, and then save. But the 
problem is to remember this non-standard procedure in the special 
circumstance. A non-standard shortcut helps a bit because people might 
get used to using F2 instead of the standard shortcut. But I am 
wondering whether this hassle is worth it.

Of course people could just change the shortcut in LyX. But I am 
wondering what would be the better default for the common user. What is 
lost if forced save is the default? And is it worse to make people who 
don't like forced save as the default to change the shortcut rather than 
make people who like forced save as the default to change it? Saving the 
state of insets seems to me like a common thing LyX users might like to 
do. What is the downside for the common user?

Daniel